Skip to content
  • About
  • Contact
  • Contribute
  • What Physicians Say
  • My Book
  • Careers
  • Podcast
  • Speaking
KevinMD.com — Social media's leading physician voice
  • All
  • Physician
  • Burnout
  • Practice
  • Policy
  • Finance
  • Conditions
  • .edu
  • Patient
  • Meds
  • Tech
  • Social
  • All
  • Physician
  • Burnout
  • Practice
  • Policy
  • Finance
  • Conditions
  • .edu
  • Patient
  • Meds
  • Tech
  • Social
    • All
    • Physician
    • Burnout
    • Practice
    • Policy
    • Finance
    • Conditions
    • .edu
    • Patient
    • Meds
    • Tech
    • Social
    • About
    • Contact
    • Contribute
    • What Physicians Say
    • My Book
    • Careers
    • Podcast
    • Speaking
KevinMD.com — Social media's leading physician voice
  • All
  • Physician
  • Burnout
  • Practice
  • Policy
  • Finance
  • Conditions
  • .edu
  • Patient
  • Meds
  • Tech
  • Social
    • All
    • Physician
    • Burnout
    • Practice
    • Policy
    • Finance
    • Conditions
    • .edu
    • Patient
    • Meds
    • Tech
    • Social
    • About
    • Contact
    • Contribute
    • What Physicians Say
    • My Book
    • Careers
    • Podcast
    • Speaking
  • About Kevin Pho, MD, Founder of KevinMD
  • Aging and dementia: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Artificial intelligence: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Be heard on social media’s leading physician voice
  • Cancer: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Children’s health: what pediatricians say, in their own words
  • Contact Kevin
  • COVID-19: what physicians wrote as it happened
  • Custom enhanced author page pricing
  • Diabetes and obesity: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Direct primary care: what physicians say, in their own words
  • DMCA Policy
  • End of life: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Establishing, Managing, and Protecting Your Online Reputation: A Social Media Guide for Physicians and Medical Practices
  • GLP-1 drugs: what physicians say about Ozempic and its successors, in their own words
  • Heart disease: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Immigration and medicine: what physicians say about immigrant doctors and immigrant patients, in their own words
  • KevinMD influencer opportunities
  • Medical errors: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Medical ethics: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Medical malpractice: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Medical school: what students and physicians say, in their own words
  • Mental health: what psychiatrists and physicians say, in their own words
  • Nursing: what nurses and physicians say, in their own words
  • Opinion and commentary by KevinMD
  • Opioids: what physicians and pain patients say, in their own words
  • Physician burnout speakers to keynote your conference
  • Physician burnout: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Physician Coaching by KevinMD
  • Physician keynote speaker: Kevin Pho, MD
  • Physician personal finance: what physicians say about their own money, in their own words
  • Physician Speaking by KevinMD: a boutique speakers bureau
  • Physician suicide: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Physicians and administrators: what physicians say about who runs medicine, in their own words
  • Primary care physician in Nashua, NH | Kevin Pho, MD
  • Primary care: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Prior authorization: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Privacy Policy
  • Private equity and corporate medicine: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Race and medicine: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Recommended services by KevinMD
  • Residency: what residents and attendings say, in their own words
  • Scope of practice: what physicians, nurse practitioners, and PAs say, in their own words
  • Subscribe to the KevinMD enhanced author page
  • Subscribe to the newsletter
  • Surgeons and surgery: what surgeons say, in their own words
  • Take-home messages: what physicians say when asked to leave one
  • Terms of Use Agreement
  • Thank you for subscribing to KevinMD
  • Thank you for upgrading to the KevinMD enhanced author page
  • The electronic health record: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Vaccines: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Violence against health care workers: what physicians and nurses say, in their own words
  • What physicians say: the KevinMD records
  • Women in medicine: what women physicians say, in their own words
  • Women’s health: what physicians say, in their own words

How to treat patients who want everything

Lyle Fettig, MD
Patient
July 3, 2010
Share
Tweet
Share

The Annals of Internal Medicine had a perspective article by palliative medicine communication gurus Drs. Tim Quill, Bob Arnold, and Tony Back which details an approach to discussing treatment preferences with patients who want “everything.”

When I think of a patient requesting “everything,” I typically think of it as a response to a physician who offers the patient the choice of “doing nothing” if the patient’s heart should stop or the alternative of “doing everything.” Of course, patients pick up on this language and make certain assumptions based on the ambiguity and misrepresentation of these statements.

If the patient who has been previously exposed to this type of dialogue is approached during a subsequent hospitalization in a more measured manner, they may still say, “do everything,” or some may come up with it on their own.

But what does “do everything” mean? Does it mean “I’m philosophically and/or religiously inclined to receive any and all life-prolonging measures no matter what type of suffering I’m going through or how I appear to my family, so keep me hooked up to 4 pressors on a ventilator until all my digits are blue and you’re all watching the rhythm strip because you can’t auscultate my heart sounds” or does it mean “do everything you can to stabilize me so I can go home to die there” or something else?

Quill, Arnold, and Back distill their approach to this common scenario into six easily digestible steps, which includes attempting to 1) Understand what “doing everything” means to the patient, 2) Propose a philosophy of treatment, 3) Recommend a plan of treatment, 4) Support emotional responses, 5) Negotiate disagreements, and 6) Use a harm-reduction strategy for continued requests for burdensome treatments that are very unlikely to work.

The appeal of this approach to me is that it fits very well into how physicians think. The most essential part of this process is to refrain from interpreting the patient’s request to “do everything” as a blanket consent for any medical therapy available to humankind. Rather, such a request should be considered akin to a clinical sign that requires more investigation. In step 1, the physician develops a “differential diagnosis” regarding the meaning of “everything” which includes potential affective, cognitive, spiritual, and family related factors.

The article suggests appropriate questions that help to delineate the “diagnosis” (ie the meaning of “everything”). In this step, the patient’s values, priorities, and goals are revealed. The patient knows these better than the physician. What they may not know (and what the physician should assess) is whether potential medical therapies will be consistent with values and priorities or if they will stand a chance to help them meet their goals.

So how do we translate these statements into an actionable plan of care upon which the patient and physician can agree?

Step 2 represents the “currency exchange” between patient values/goals into a plan of treatment. They propose five general categories of treatment philosophies of “everything” (one example: “everything that has a reasonable chance of prolonging life, but not if it would increase the patient’s suffering”). Based on Step 1, the physician can confirm that the patient agrees with the general philosophy. Once this is done, then the physician can decide which parts of the treatment plan are consistent with the philosophy and propose a strategy to the patient.

Step 4 of supporting emotional responses shouldn’t really be a “step” but an infiltrative component that is vital to ensuring that the patient feels well supported (and probably improves the likelihood of success/agreement on the plan, but if agreement isn’t reached, proceed to Step 5).

Step 6 describes a “harm-reduction strategy” for responding to requests for burdensome treatments that are unlikely to work (in the context of a “patient philosophy” of vitalism). Repeated badgering of the patient/family to reconsider DNR is discouraged in favor of keeping the patient a full code and considering a short code (but not a slow code).

The article is a quick read and it’s an instant “teaching file” classic. Here are some questions to serve as discussion points:

1. In the first few paragraphs, it’s inferred that a patient request to “do everything” should prompt the physician to initiate the six step process (in addition to providing the patient adequate information about their illness and prognosis). Do you use techniques to avoid the “do everything” request altogether? If so, what are they?

ADVERTISEMENT

2. How do you think patients respond to physician statements regarding treatment philosophies? How stable do you think these philosophies are?

3. What do you think of the harm-reduction strategy? How does it fit into your hospital’s futility policy (if your hospital has one)? Is a “short code” more ethically appropriate than a “slow code”?

Lyle Fettig is a palliative care physician who blogs at Pallimed.

Submit a guest post and be heard.

Prev

Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) may increase dementia risk

July 3, 2010 Kevin 3
…
Next

Ranking prestige of medical diseases

July 4, 2010 Kevin 15
…

Tagged as: Hospital Medicine, Patients

< Previous Post
Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) may increase dementia risk
Next Post >
Ranking prestige of medical diseases

 

ADVERTISEMENT

More by Lyle Fettig, MD

  • a desk with keyboard and ipad with the kevinmd logo

    Second opinions: A chance to listen and teach

    Lyle Fettig, MD
  • a desk with keyboard and ipad with the kevinmd logo

    Educate the patient about their disease and discharge plan

    Lyle Fettig, MD
  • a desk with keyboard and ipad with the kevinmd logo

    Palliative care physicians confronting their own mortality

    Lyle Fettig, MD

Related Posts

  • Voting from the hospital: How emergency ballots give patients a voice

    Claire Abramoff, MD
  • Binary medicine harms our gender-expansive patients

    Alexandra Beem
  • Celebrating internal medicine through our human connections with patients

    American College of Physicians
  • We must help patients recognize how important their opinions are

    Karen Sepucha, PhD
  • We are warriors: doctors and patients

    Michele Luckenbaugh
  • Practicing patience with patients

    Natalie Enyedi

More in Patient

  • Patient communication ends when the patient understands

    Diane Bruno
  • Book publishing scams took $7,500 from me by wire transfer

    Richard A. Lawhern, PhD
  • Cosmetic dentistry abroad is not about the lowest price

    Anna Estrin
  • There’s no one to drive your patient home

    Denise Reich
  • Dying is a selfish business

    Nancie Wiseman Attwater
  • A story of a good death

    Carol Ewig
  • Most Popular

  • Past Week

    • Retirement isn’t the end of medicine, it’s a second act [PODCAST]

      The Podcast by KevinMD | Podcast
    • The conflict of interest that discloses as nothing

      Martha Rosenberg | Medications
    • 4 fibromyalgia myths the current evidence doesn’t support

      Kayvan Haddadan, MD | Conditions and Diseases
    • Why exhaustion can make you see things that aren’t there [PODCAST]

      The Podcast by KevinMD | Podcast
    • AI governance in health care has to reach the exam room

      Amanda Heidemann, MD | Health Technology
    • The Pennsylvania measles outbreak and the cost of forgetting

      Christine King, CRNA | Conditions and Diseases
  • Past 6 Months

    • Why CDC opioid guidelines get the overdose data wrong

      Richard A. Lawhern, PhD | Conditions and Diseases
    • Retirement isn’t the end of medicine, it’s a second act [PODCAST]

      The Podcast by KevinMD | Podcast
    • Sensory processing in autism and the brain’s volume control

      Josette Pelatan, PhD | Conditions and Diseases
    • What maternity care deserts cost a town

      Manisha Kaliaperumal | Health Policy
    • Why medicine needs a national physician license now

      Vaishali Popat, MD, MPH | Physician
    • A cold cost $945. The cost of primary care is broken.

      Susan Newman, MD | Physician
  • Recent Posts

    • Why exhaustion can make you see things that aren’t there [PODCAST]

      The Podcast by KevinMD | Podcast
    • 3 reforms to counter wellness influencers in practice

      Farid Sabet-Sharghi, MD | Physician
    • Shift work and circadian rhythms shape the 24/7 workplace

      Deepak Gupta, MD | Conditions and Diseases
    • Paid for twice

      Physicians paid for G2211 twice. Most never bill it.

      Michael Duben, MD | Physician Finance
    • The next child

      Medicaid managed care and the case for mutual stewardship

      Steven Merahn, MD | Health Policy
    • Choosing a limb lengthening surgeon requires accountability

      Hrayr Basmajian, MD | Physician

Subscribe to KevinMD and never miss a story!

Get free updates delivered free to your inbox.


Find jobs at
Careers by KevinMD.com

Search thousands of physician, PA, NP, and CRNA jobs now.

Learn more

View 2 Comments >

Founded in 2004 by Kevin Pho, MD, KevinMD.com is the web’s leading platform where physicians, advanced practitioners, nurses, medical students, and patients share their insight and tell their stories.

Social

  • Like on Facebook
  • Follow on Twitter
  • Connect on Linkedin
  • Subscribe on Youtube
  • Instagram

ADVERTISEMENT

  • Most Popular

  • Past Week

    • Retirement isn’t the end of medicine, it’s a second act [PODCAST]

      The Podcast by KevinMD | Podcast
    • The conflict of interest that discloses as nothing

      Martha Rosenberg | Medications
    • 4 fibromyalgia myths the current evidence doesn’t support

      Kayvan Haddadan, MD | Conditions and Diseases
    • Why exhaustion can make you see things that aren’t there [PODCAST]

      The Podcast by KevinMD | Podcast
    • AI governance in health care has to reach the exam room

      Amanda Heidemann, MD | Health Technology
    • The Pennsylvania measles outbreak and the cost of forgetting

      Christine King, CRNA | Conditions and Diseases
  • Past 6 Months

    • Why CDC opioid guidelines get the overdose data wrong

      Richard A. Lawhern, PhD | Conditions and Diseases
    • Retirement isn’t the end of medicine, it’s a second act [PODCAST]

      The Podcast by KevinMD | Podcast
    • Sensory processing in autism and the brain’s volume control

      Josette Pelatan, PhD | Conditions and Diseases
    • What maternity care deserts cost a town

      Manisha Kaliaperumal | Health Policy
    • Why medicine needs a national physician license now

      Vaishali Popat, MD, MPH | Physician
    • A cold cost $945. The cost of primary care is broken.

      Susan Newman, MD | Physician
  • Recent Posts

    • Why exhaustion can make you see things that aren’t there [PODCAST]

      The Podcast by KevinMD | Podcast
    • 3 reforms to counter wellness influencers in practice

      Farid Sabet-Sharghi, MD | Physician
    • Shift work and circadian rhythms shape the 24/7 workplace

      Deepak Gupta, MD | Conditions and Diseases
    • Paid for twice

      Physicians paid for G2211 twice. Most never bill it.

      Michael Duben, MD | Physician Finance
    • The next child

      Medicaid managed care and the case for mutual stewardship

      Steven Merahn, MD | Health Policy
    • Choosing a limb lengthening surgeon requires accountability

      Hrayr Basmajian, MD | Physician

Copyright © 2026 KevinMD.com | Powered by Astra WordPress Theme

  • Terms of Use Agreement
  • Privacy Policy
  • DMCA Policy
All Content © KevinMD, LLC
Site by Outthink Group

How to treat patients who want everything
2 comments

Comments are moderated before they are published. Please read the comment policy.

Loading Comments...