Skip to content
  • About
  • Contact
  • Contribute
  • Book
  • Careers
  • Podcast
  • Recommended
  • Speaking
  • All
  • Physician
  • Practice
  • Policy
  • Finance
  • Conditions
  • .edu
  • Patient
  • Meds
  • Tech
  • Social
  • Video
    • All
    • Physician
    • Practice
    • Policy
    • Finance
    • Conditions
    • .edu
    • Patient
    • Meds
    • Tech
    • Social
    • Video
    • About
    • Contact
    • Contribute
    • Book
    • Careers
    • Podcast
    • Recommended
    • Speaking

Dying after leaving AMA

Steve Burgess, MD
Conditions
August 7, 2021
Share
Tweet
Share

The nurse called: “The patient wants to leave AMA.”

These calls come, fortunately not often. Typically the patient is not terribly ill, but they really miss their cigarettes or alcohol. Spending another day or two in the hospital would be wise, but leaving against medical advice is not actually jeopardizing their life.

This was different. This patient was very ill, but competent to make his own decisions. He had COVID, and this was day 10 in the hospital. He was stable, but requiring high flow oxygen, 100 percent at 60 liters per minute. He was in his own room on our COVID floor, which he probably viewed as a 12 by 12-foot cell after 10 days. We don’t even let them in the hallway.

I sat down and said that I was told he wanted to leave. He was calm and collected, and said that what we were doing was not working. Which, I must admit, is partially true. We don’t have great treatments for COVID, and while I was pleased he was not in our ICU, he really did not feel any better than when he was admitted. He had a valid point.

I asked about his plan. He said he would call his doctor. I made that call instead, and his PCP called him, but the patient was resolute: He was going home.

We took his high-flow oxygen off to see how he did. The pulse oximeter dropped to 60 percent within a minute. No difference, he was leaving.

He indicated that he would not want CPR or intubation, so we executed a written DNR. He remained on an oxygen tank at 5 liters until he was in his wife’s car, headed home.

He died the next day. He became unresponsive at home; his wife called 911. Paramedics performed CPR and gave epinephrine. He was breathing, but in PEA. When the spouse told the ED physician that he did not want CPR or intubation, they stopped.

This one hurt. Yes, patients die, and I really don’t believe any of our doctors or nurses share in the responsibility for this death. But this patient should not have died; he was in his 60’s and was only on blood pressure meds and a PPI. Respiratory therapists, nurses, and doctors all told him that he would die if he left. He just did not believe us. This was not glioblastoma or a major trauma where everything we do really does not matter; sometimes the patient is going to die regardless. No, had this patient stayed, or gotten vaccinated before contracting COVID, he very likely would have lived.

How did we get here? How did we get to the point that severely ill patients, competent to make their own medical decisions, believe that all the RTs, nurses, and doctors are wrong about COVID? How do intelligent people (you may not agree with them, but that does not mean they lack mental capacity) believe that this virus does not kill people? That we are all in some vast conspiracy to get them to take a vaccine that is really going to hurt them, not save lives?

And what do we do about it? I’m a hospitalist, and I care for several COVID patients every day that I work. That’s been the case since early 2020, and it’s not improving. We round on these patients for days or weeks, and they usually improve, but it’s very slow. I’m tired of it, and it’s only about 25 percent of my patients. It’s closer to 100 percent for the nurses and RTs on the COVID floors and in the ICUs; I can only imagine their exhaustion.

This is where we are: Hospitalizations rising, new variants that are more infectious, and many people believing that this is all a hoax, or that millions of people have conspired together to make injections that harm people rather than helping them. Patients leaving AMA and dying because there’s no trust anymore.

This is where we should be: People recognizing that we don’t like wearing masks or getting shots but maybe we should in order to get things under control, people trusting that health care workers are really working toward the best interest of everyone, health care workers optimistic because they see progress.

ADVERTISEMENT

How do we get from here to there?

Steve Burgess is a hospitalist and creator, CME Vacations, designed to give participants the ultimate CME “working vacation.”

Hospital Medicine Update and Outpatient Medicine Update are available online or in great vacation destinations, including Florida, the Bahamas, San Diego, San Antonio, and cruises.

To meet the DEA requirement, an online 8-hour course is available, Diagnosing and Treating Opioid and Other Substance Use Disorders.

Image credit: Shutterstock.com

Prev

Try this new technique when talking to vaccine skeptics

August 7, 2021 Kevin 0
…
Next

What do you really want in life?

August 7, 2021 Kevin 0
…

Tagged as: COVID, Infectious Disease

Post navigation

< Previous Post
Try this new technique when talking to vaccine skeptics
Next Post >
What do you really want in life?

ADVERTISEMENT

More by Steve Burgess, MD

  • 13.1 million missing Americans since 1980. Where’s the outrage?

    Steve Burgess, MD
  • CME budgets expire soon: Use it or lose it

    Steve Burgess, MD

Related Posts

  • Digital advances in the medical aid in dying movement

    Jennifer Lynn
  • A silent moment with a dying patient

    Ramses Perez
  • Dying is a selfish business

    Nancie Wiseman Attwater
  • Primary care is dying: Why that should scare every large employer

    Elizabeth Mitchell
  • Our doctors are dying in medical school

    Imshan Dhrolia, MPH
  • How COVID is exposing poor working conditions in the U.S.

    Irene Martinez, MD

More in Conditions

  • How a pregnancy test on a male patient revealed health care flaws

    Eric Goldfarb
  • Beyond burnout: the rise of the optimized, dissociated executive

    Jenny Shields, PhD
  • How fNIRS and light therapy are shaping precision psychiatry

    Muhamad Aly Rifai, MD
  • The emotional labor of volunteering in an aging society

    Gerald Kuo
  • Understanding the evolutionary mismatch in health and modern disease

    Max Goodman, MD
  • Why Brooklyn’s aging population needs more vascular health specialists

    Anil Hingorani, MD
  • Most Popular

  • Past Week

    • Will AI replace primary care physicians?

      P. Dileep Kumar, MD, MBA | Tech
    • Why the U.S. health care system is failing patients and physicians

      John C. Hagan III, MD | Policy
    • Putting health back into insurance: the case for tobacco cessation

      Edward Anselm, MD | Policy
    • What is the minority tax in medicine?

      Tharini Nagarkar and Maranda C. Ward, EdD, MPH | Education
    • Why every physician needs a sabbatical (and how to take one)

      Christie Mulholland, MD | Physician
    • Retail health care vs. employer DPC: Preparing for 2026 policy shifts

      Dana Y. Lujan, MBA | Policy
  • Past 6 Months

    • Why patient trust in physicians is declining

      Mansi Kotwal, MD, MPH | Physician
    • How environmental justice and health disparities connect to climate change

      Kaitlynn Esemaya, Alexis Thompson, Annique McLune, and Anamaria Ancheta | Policy
    • Will AI replace primary care physicians?

      P. Dileep Kumar, MD, MBA | Tech
    • A physician father on the Dobbs decision and reproductive rights

      Travis Walker, MD, MPH | Physician
    • The blind men and the elephant: a parable for modern pain management

      Richard A. Lawhern, PhD | Conditions
    • Is tramadol really ineffective and risky?

      John A. Bumpus, PhD | Meds
  • Recent Posts

    • Genetic testing requires more than just a binary result [PODCAST]

      The Podcast by KevinMD | Podcast
    • How a pregnancy test on a male patient revealed health care flaws

      Eric Goldfarb | Conditions
    • Beyond burnout: the rise of the optimized, dissociated executive

      Jenny Shields, PhD | Conditions
    • How system strain contributes to medical gaslighting in health care

      Alan P. Feren, MD | Physician
    • Black women’s health resilience: the hidden cost of “pushing through”

      Latesha K. Harris, PhD, RN | Policy
    • Why tele-critical care fails the sickest ICU patients

      Keith Corl, MD | Physician

Subscribe to KevinMD and never miss a story!

Get free updates delivered free to your inbox.


Find jobs at
Careers by KevinMD.com

Search thousands of physician, PA, NP, and CRNA jobs now.

Learn more

Leave a Comment

Founded in 2004 by Kevin Pho, MD, KevinMD.com is the web’s leading platform where physicians, advanced practitioners, nurses, medical students, and patients share their insight and tell their stories.

Social

  • Like on Facebook
  • Follow on Twitter
  • Connect on Linkedin
  • Subscribe on Youtube
  • Instagram

ADVERTISEMENT

ADVERTISEMENT

  • Most Popular

  • Past Week

    • Will AI replace primary care physicians?

      P. Dileep Kumar, MD, MBA | Tech
    • Why the U.S. health care system is failing patients and physicians

      John C. Hagan III, MD | Policy
    • Putting health back into insurance: the case for tobacco cessation

      Edward Anselm, MD | Policy
    • What is the minority tax in medicine?

      Tharini Nagarkar and Maranda C. Ward, EdD, MPH | Education
    • Why every physician needs a sabbatical (and how to take one)

      Christie Mulholland, MD | Physician
    • Retail health care vs. employer DPC: Preparing for 2026 policy shifts

      Dana Y. Lujan, MBA | Policy
  • Past 6 Months

    • Why patient trust in physicians is declining

      Mansi Kotwal, MD, MPH | Physician
    • How environmental justice and health disparities connect to climate change

      Kaitlynn Esemaya, Alexis Thompson, Annique McLune, and Anamaria Ancheta | Policy
    • Will AI replace primary care physicians?

      P. Dileep Kumar, MD, MBA | Tech
    • A physician father on the Dobbs decision and reproductive rights

      Travis Walker, MD, MPH | Physician
    • The blind men and the elephant: a parable for modern pain management

      Richard A. Lawhern, PhD | Conditions
    • Is tramadol really ineffective and risky?

      John A. Bumpus, PhD | Meds
  • Recent Posts

    • Genetic testing requires more than just a binary result [PODCAST]

      The Podcast by KevinMD | Podcast
    • How a pregnancy test on a male patient revealed health care flaws

      Eric Goldfarb | Conditions
    • Beyond burnout: the rise of the optimized, dissociated executive

      Jenny Shields, PhD | Conditions
    • How system strain contributes to medical gaslighting in health care

      Alan P. Feren, MD | Physician
    • Black women’s health resilience: the hidden cost of “pushing through”

      Latesha K. Harris, PhD, RN | Policy
    • Why tele-critical care fails the sickest ICU patients

      Keith Corl, MD | Physician

MedPage Today Professional

An Everyday Health Property Medpage Today
  • Terms of Use | Disclaimer
  • Privacy Policy
  • DMCA Policy
All Content © KevinMD, LLC
Site by Outthink Group

Leave a Comment

Comments are moderated before they are published. Please read the comment policy.

Loading Comments...