Skip to content
  • About
  • Contact
  • Contribute
  • What Physicians Say
  • My Book
  • Careers
  • Podcast
  • Speaking
KevinMD.com — Social media's leading physician voice
  • All
  • Physician
  • Burnout
  • Practice
  • Policy
  • Finance
  • Conditions
  • .edu
  • Patient
  • Meds
  • Tech
  • Social
  • All
  • Physician
  • Burnout
  • Practice
  • Policy
  • Finance
  • Conditions
  • .edu
  • Patient
  • Meds
  • Tech
  • Social
    • All
    • Physician
    • Burnout
    • Practice
    • Policy
    • Finance
    • Conditions
    • .edu
    • Patient
    • Meds
    • Tech
    • Social
    • About
    • Contact
    • Contribute
    • What Physicians Say
    • My Book
    • Careers
    • Podcast
    • Speaking
KevinMD.com — Social media's leading physician voice
  • All
  • Physician
  • Burnout
  • Practice
  • Policy
  • Finance
  • Conditions
  • .edu
  • Patient
  • Meds
  • Tech
  • Social
    • All
    • Physician
    • Burnout
    • Practice
    • Policy
    • Finance
    • Conditions
    • .edu
    • Patient
    • Meds
    • Tech
    • Social
    • About
    • Contact
    • Contribute
    • What Physicians Say
    • My Book
    • Careers
    • Podcast
    • Speaking
  • About Kevin Pho, MD, Founder of KevinMD
  • Aging and dementia: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Artificial intelligence: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Be heard on social media’s leading physician voice
  • Cancer: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Children’s health: what pediatricians say, in their own words
  • Contact Kevin
  • COVID-19: what physicians wrote as it happened
  • Custom enhanced author page pricing
  • Diabetes and obesity: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Direct primary care: what physicians say, in their own words
  • DMCA Policy
  • End of life: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Establishing, Managing, and Protecting Your Online Reputation: A Social Media Guide for Physicians and Medical Practices
  • GLP-1 drugs: what physicians say about Ozempic and its successors, in their own words
  • Heart disease: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Immigration and medicine: what physicians say about immigrant doctors and immigrant patients, in their own words
  • KevinMD influencer opportunities
  • Medical errors: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Medical ethics: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Medical malpractice: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Medical school: what students and physicians say, in their own words
  • Mental health: what psychiatrists and physicians say, in their own words
  • Nursing: what nurses and physicians say, in their own words
  • Opinion and commentary by KevinMD
  • Opioids: what physicians and pain patients say, in their own words
  • Physician burnout speakers to keynote your conference
  • Physician burnout: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Physician Coaching by KevinMD
  • Physician keynote speaker: Kevin Pho, MD
  • Physician personal finance: what physicians say about their own money, in their own words
  • Physician Speaking by KevinMD: a boutique speakers bureau
  • Physician suicide: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Physicians and administrators: what physicians say about who runs medicine, in their own words
  • Primary care physician in Nashua, NH | Kevin Pho, MD
  • Primary care: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Prior authorization: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Privacy Policy
  • Private equity and corporate medicine: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Race and medicine: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Recommended services by KevinMD
  • Residency: what residents and attendings say, in their own words
  • Scope of practice: what physicians, nurse practitioners, and PAs say, in their own words
  • Subscribe to the KevinMD enhanced author page
  • Subscribe to the newsletter
  • Surgeons and surgery: what surgeons say, in their own words
  • Take-home messages: what physicians say when asked to leave one
  • Terms of Use Agreement
  • Thank you for subscribing to KevinMD
  • Thank you for upgrading to the KevinMD enhanced author page
  • The electronic health record: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Vaccines: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Violence against health care workers: what physicians and nurses say, in their own words
  • What physicians say: the KevinMD records
  • Women in medicine: what women physicians say, in their own words
  • Women’s health: what physicians say, in their own words

Doctors cannot predict when the end of life truly comes

Christine A. Garcia, MD, MPH
Physician
January 5, 2014
Share
Tweet
Share

“For someone who went into medicine to ‘help people,’ you sure do talk about dying a lot,” my mother told me one day on our brief weekly phone call. I try to get in a phone call to my mother once a week so she knows I’m alive, surviving my intern year. I had been on medical intensive care unit (MICU) service and it had been a rough week. Being a doctor, death hovers around like an impending storm, we can only prepare ourselves for the inevitable impact. Dying is part of the vernacular, you have to be able to talk about it, extensively, respectfully and repeatedly.

Most of my first week in ICU was spent on family meetings to discuss goals of care. One of my attending physicians told me that part of critical care is explaining to families the limits of medicine. He explained, “We can keep doing things for patients. We can pound on his chest if his heart stops, we can keep this tube down his throat to help him breathe. Eventually the body will dictate when there’s nothing more we can do.”

Another  physician drew a graph on a piece of paper showing the steady decline in chronic diseases, that every dip in the graph shows an acute exacerbation of congestive heart failure or COPD, but it is always on a downhill slope towards death. Another physician told me it is our responsibility to help families know when it’s time to “let their mother to go to heaven.”

Years before this, I was on the other end of the table in an ICU having similar conversations with doctors about my own grandmother. No matter how it is explained, it’s a conversation that families never want to have.

For my patient, this was her fourth admission for severe COPD exacerbation, her third time being intubated for acute on chronic respiratory failure. Her lungs were failing and this was unavoidable progressive of her chronic disease. Over the course of a few days, we met with the family several times. With numerous parties involved, they went back and forth about getting a tracheostomy. Trying to figure out their mothers’ wishes, they ruminated over and over again in tears about what they should do.

Finally, they had decided on withdrawing life support, terminal extubation. We explained that the patient may not go very quickly, that sometimes these things take time. The family gathered around while we removed the tube. Nothing happened. The family held their breath expecting sudden death like you see on TV … flatline, breathing stops then stillness. This was nothing like TV. The patient was awake, calm, even blowing kisses. Her oxygen saturation oddly improved.

The days that followed were painful. There was a mix of sadness and frustration. The family pleaded with the team to help her die quicker. “We have all said our goodbyes. All of her children, nieces, nephews and grandchildren had flown in to say goodbye. We finally all agreed to let her go,” one daughter explained to me. Having made the decision to withdraw life support, they were frankly pissed in some ways that she was still going. It made them reevaluate their decision to not get the tracheostomy. Her continuing to live seemed to destroy the closure they felt in letting her go or reassurance about not getting the procedure.

While her medical history, labs, worsening progression of her disease and dependency on mechanical ventilation indicated that it would highly unlikely that she would survive on her own, I began to question if we were wrong. In the numerous family meetings with palliative care, we discussed at length that this was the terminal progression of her disease and she would likely be ventilator-dependent the rest of her life.

Were we wrong? Was this some sort of miracle or was our medical acumen slightly off? Should we have fought harder for a tracheostomy rather than comfort care? The attending doctor had explained that it is difficult to know how much time people will have after being terminally weaned but in the end, death is imminent.

Everyone wants a timeline. Each day, they asked me several times in various ways, “When will she die?” No one is ever satisfied with vague answers or no real answer. We don’t know when exactly. We can predict and see death coming some of the time based on vital signs. The ICU nurses would tell me about the look of impending death.

One seasoned nurse explained, “You can’t quite characterize it but you just know from experience that it’s coming soon.” Sometimes people die unexpectedly, and those that you expect to die sometimes live on far past your predictions. A few days later my patient passed away peacefully in her sleep, in a private comfort care room away from the hustle and bustle of the intensive care unit with her loved ones surrounding her.

Oftentimes the most heroic measure isn’t the action hero style chest pounding, doing everything possible. This Hollywood depiction of saving lives is what I had imagined prior to starting my ICU rotation. Sometimes the most heroic measure is in supporting families and patients in coming to terms with the end of life and avoiding futile measures that will harm more than help.

Christine A. Garcia is an internal medicine resident who blogs at Christine Chronicles and sbuim.com.

ADVERTISEMENT

Prev

A large part of healing is listening, caring, and imparting hope

January 5, 2014 Kevin 0
…
Next

Researching health information online: Recognize your limitations

January 5, 2014 Kevin 4
…

Tagged as: Palliative Care

< Previous Post
A large part of healing is listening, caring, and imparting hope
Next Post >
Researching health information online: Recognize your limitations

 

ADVERTISEMENT

More by Christine A. Garcia, MD, MPH

  • a desk with keyboard and ipad with the kevinmd logo

    The fine line between compassion and detachment

    Christine A. Garcia, MD, MPH

More in Physician

  • 3 reforms to counter wellness influencers in practice

    Farid Sabet-Sharghi, MD
  • Choosing a limb lengthening surgeon requires accountability

    Hrayr Basmajian, MD
  • How to reassure patients: 5 steps beyond normal tests

    Devina Maya Wadhwa, MD
  • Setting boundaries as a physician doesn’t mean caring less

    Jerina Gani, MD, MPH
  • How emergency medicine decision making works under pressure

    Geoffrey Mount Varner, MD, MPH
  • Why I stay in emergency medicine: a dancer at nearly 100

    Howie Mell, MD, MPH
  • Most Popular

  • Past Week

    • Retirement isn’t the end of medicine, it’s a second act [PODCAST]

      The Podcast by KevinMD | Podcast
    • The conflict of interest that discloses as nothing

      Martha Rosenberg | Medications
    • 4 fibromyalgia myths the current evidence doesn’t support

      Kayvan Haddadan, MD | Conditions and Diseases
    • Why exhaustion can make you see things that aren’t there [PODCAST]

      The Podcast by KevinMD | Podcast
    • AI governance in health care has to reach the exam room

      Amanda Heidemann, MD | Health Technology
    • The Pennsylvania measles outbreak and the cost of forgetting

      Christine King, CRNA | Conditions and Diseases
  • Past 6 Months

    • Why CDC opioid guidelines get the overdose data wrong

      Richard A. Lawhern, PhD | Conditions and Diseases
    • Retirement isn’t the end of medicine, it’s a second act [PODCAST]

      The Podcast by KevinMD | Podcast
    • Sensory processing in autism and the brain’s volume control

      Josette Pelatan, PhD | Conditions and Diseases
    • What maternity care deserts cost a town

      Manisha Kaliaperumal | Health Policy
    • Why medicine needs a national physician license now

      Vaishali Popat, MD, MPH | Physician
    • A cold cost $945. The cost of primary care is broken.

      Susan Newman, MD | Physician
  • Recent Posts

    • Why exhaustion can make you see things that aren’t there [PODCAST]

      The Podcast by KevinMD | Podcast
    • 3 reforms to counter wellness influencers in practice

      Farid Sabet-Sharghi, MD | Physician
    • Shift work and circadian rhythms shape the 24/7 workplace

      Deepak Gupta, MD | Conditions and Diseases
    • Paid for twice

      Physicians paid for G2211 twice. Most never bill it.

      Michael Duben, MD | Physician Finance
    • The next child

      Medicaid managed care and the case for mutual stewardship

      Steven Merahn, MD | Health Policy
    • Choosing a limb lengthening surgeon requires accountability

      Hrayr Basmajian, MD | Physician

Subscribe to KevinMD and never miss a story!

Get free updates delivered free to your inbox.


Find jobs at
Careers by KevinMD.com

Search thousands of physician, PA, NP, and CRNA jobs now.

Learn more

View 5 Comments >

Founded in 2004 by Kevin Pho, MD, KevinMD.com is the web’s leading platform where physicians, advanced practitioners, nurses, medical students, and patients share their insight and tell their stories.

Social

  • Like on Facebook
  • Follow on Twitter
  • Connect on Linkedin
  • Subscribe on Youtube
  • Instagram

ADVERTISEMENT

  • Most Popular

  • Past Week

    • Retirement isn’t the end of medicine, it’s a second act [PODCAST]

      The Podcast by KevinMD | Podcast
    • The conflict of interest that discloses as nothing

      Martha Rosenberg | Medications
    • 4 fibromyalgia myths the current evidence doesn’t support

      Kayvan Haddadan, MD | Conditions and Diseases
    • Why exhaustion can make you see things that aren’t there [PODCAST]

      The Podcast by KevinMD | Podcast
    • AI governance in health care has to reach the exam room

      Amanda Heidemann, MD | Health Technology
    • The Pennsylvania measles outbreak and the cost of forgetting

      Christine King, CRNA | Conditions and Diseases
  • Past 6 Months

    • Why CDC opioid guidelines get the overdose data wrong

      Richard A. Lawhern, PhD | Conditions and Diseases
    • Retirement isn’t the end of medicine, it’s a second act [PODCAST]

      The Podcast by KevinMD | Podcast
    • Sensory processing in autism and the brain’s volume control

      Josette Pelatan, PhD | Conditions and Diseases
    • What maternity care deserts cost a town

      Manisha Kaliaperumal | Health Policy
    • Why medicine needs a national physician license now

      Vaishali Popat, MD, MPH | Physician
    • A cold cost $945. The cost of primary care is broken.

      Susan Newman, MD | Physician
  • Recent Posts

    • Why exhaustion can make you see things that aren’t there [PODCAST]

      The Podcast by KevinMD | Podcast
    • 3 reforms to counter wellness influencers in practice

      Farid Sabet-Sharghi, MD | Physician
    • Shift work and circadian rhythms shape the 24/7 workplace

      Deepak Gupta, MD | Conditions and Diseases
    • Paid for twice

      Physicians paid for G2211 twice. Most never bill it.

      Michael Duben, MD | Physician Finance
    • The next child

      Medicaid managed care and the case for mutual stewardship

      Steven Merahn, MD | Health Policy
    • Choosing a limb lengthening surgeon requires accountability

      Hrayr Basmajian, MD | Physician

Copyright © 2026 KevinMD.com | Powered by Astra WordPress Theme

  • Terms of Use Agreement
  • Privacy Policy
  • DMCA Policy
All Content © KevinMD, LLC
Site by Outthink Group

Doctors cannot predict when the end of life truly comes
5 comments

Comments are moderated before they are published. Please read the comment policy.

Loading Comments...