Skip to content
  • About
  • Contact
  • Contribute
  • Book
  • Careers
  • Podcast
  • Recommended
  • Speaking
  • All
  • Physician
  • Practice
  • Policy
  • Finance
  • Conditions
  • .edu
  • Patient
  • Meds
  • Tech
  • Social
  • Video
    • All
    • Physician
    • Practice
    • Policy
    • Finance
    • Conditions
    • .edu
    • Patient
    • Meds
    • Tech
    • Social
    • Video
    • About
    • Contact
    • Contribute
    • Book
    • Careers
    • Podcast
    • Recommended
    • Speaking

5 things pathologists want other doctors to know

Collin O'Hara, MD
Physician
April 1, 2018
Share
Tweet
Share

1. Clinical history is important. What did you see when you took the biopsy?  Was there a mass there?  Does the patient have a history of malignancy?  These are all important questions, and they help pathologists arrive at the most accurate diagnosis possible.  Rarely, the best we can give you is a differential, but the more clinical information given to us, the more likely we can narrow things down and pinpoint exactly what is going on.  Radiologic characteristics can also be helpful, especially in cases of bony lesions. In neuropathology, it’s like real estate- location, location, location. Particular tumors like to grow in particular places.  The more supplemental information you can provide, the more specific our diagnosis can be.

2. We’re slow, but not that slow. “The lab” has the reputation of taking forever to produce surgical pathology reports.  Sometimes this is deserved.  Today there are many ancillary tests that can help pathologists make the best diagnosis.  Immunohistochemical stains, or “immunos” as we tend to call them, usually take a couple of days, depending on if the particular stain is available at the institution.  Sometimes pathologists need a less common stain and have to send tissue to a larger lab.  Transport time eats a day each way. Other tests such as cytogenetics, flow cytometry, and rarely microbiology, are sometimes needed to interpret a case.  If it’s been more than 48 hours for a biopsy, give the pathologist assigned to the case a call.  For a larger resection, tissue often has to sit in formalin overnight to process, so wait at least 72 hours before calling for a preliminary report.

3. Bringing a new lab test on board is not that easy. We appreciate that the latest quantiferon gold test for TB is very sexy and would make your life easier.  But deciding to onboard a new lab test requires serious considerations.  Is new capital equipment required to perform this test?  What is the reimbursement to the lab for this test?  Is this test high liability?  Is personnel trained to perform and possibly interpret this test?  And once a lab goes forward with a test there is a validation process that is time-consuming.  Proficiency testing may also be required for personnel. Lab inspections, accreditations, and licensing are lengthy processes for the lab and involve a lot of red tape.  According to a 2016 editorial published in the American Journal of Clinical Pathology, “In the United States, the practice of pathology and laboratory medicine is one of the most heavily regulated parts of health care.”1 As such, bringing a new test into the laboratory may not be as simple and straight-forward as you think.

4. Frozen sections are for management changes. In a strict sense, intraoperative consultations, typically by frozen section, are performed if results could necessitate an intraoperative management change.  If a malignant omental nodule would bump a patient to stage four requiring systemic chemotherapy instead of surgery, by all means, call us!  We are happy to help with this critical decision affecting patient care.  On the other hand, if we track you down in the PACU to tell you the nodule is malignant and you say, “Yes there was extensive disease grossly, so I closed,” then it appears the frozen section was unnecessary.  Remember the frozen section process imparts artifact to the tissue making interpretation more challenging.  If an immediate diagnosis is truly not needed for intraoperative management purposes, then it is better to send the tissue for permanent sections where it can be optimally processed and interpreted.  And please don’t ask us to freeze pigmented lesions or bone.  Pigmented lesions need to be evaluated with optimal histology- melanoma can be very tricky.  And bone just doesn’t cut.  It has to be decalcified first before it is soft enough to cut.

5. Treatment is our weakness. Working exclusively on the diagnostic end of things, we pathologists sometimes don’t know as much about treatment as we would like.  We try to pick up on treatment strategies at tumor boards, but sometimes we don’t see the whole picture.  Letting us know where your decision points are helps us. For example, letting us know that if the extent of myometrial invasion in an endometrial tumor is over 50 percent, you will perform lymph node sampling tells us to evaluate this metric carefully and include this finding prominently in our report.  While synoptic reports address many of these specifics, we can serve you and your patients better if we know why certain metrics are important and how they affect patient care.  Sometimes metrics are for completeness and other times they impact the modality or intensity of treatment.  We want to know if a 1 mm margin buys your patient radiation, whereas a 2 mm margin means no further treatment. Measurements will be double and triple-checked if they are close to a decision point.

Collin O’Hara is a pathologist.

Image credit: Shutterstock.com

Prev

3 ways to better deal with negative interactions

April 1, 2018 Kevin 2
…
Next

So you missed the bull market. What can you do now?

April 2, 2018 Kevin 2
…

Tagged as: Hospital-Based Medicine

Post navigation

< Previous Post
3 ways to better deal with negative interactions
Next Post >
So you missed the bull market. What can you do now?

ADVERTISEMENT

More by Collin O'Hara, MD

  • How cancer transformed this physician

    Collin O'Hara, MD

Related Posts

  • Lawmakers don’t care for our patients. Doctors do.

    Joanna Bisgrove, MD
  • Why do doctors who hate being doctors still practice?

    Kristin Puhl, MD
  • Doctors: It’s time to unionize

    Thomas D. Guastavino, MD
  • Doctors die. But the good ones leave a legacy.

    Jaime B. Gerber, MD
  • When doctors are right

    Sophia Zilber
  • We’re doctors. We signed the book.

    Jonathan Peters, MD

More in Physician

  • Why pain doctors face unfair scrutiny and harsh penalties in California

    Kayvan Haddadan, MD
  • Why physicians need a place to fall apart

    Annia Raja, PhD
  • The joy of teaching medicine through life’s toughest challenges

    John F. McGeehan, MD
  • Why health care can’t survive on no-fail missions alone

    Wendy Schofer, MD
  • The unspoken contract between doctors and patients explained

    Matthew G. Checketts, DO
  • The truth in medicine: Why connection matters most

    Ryan Nadelson, MD
  • Most Popular

  • Past Week

    • New student loan caps could shut low-income students out of medicine

      Tom Phan, MD | Physician
    • What street medicine taught me about healing

      Alina Kang | Education
    • Are we repeating the statin playbook with lipoprotein(a)?

      Larry Kaskel, MD | Conditions
    • The silent cost of choosing personalization over privacy in health care

      Dr. Giriraj Tosh Purohit | Tech
    • Why transgender health care needs urgent reform and inclusive practices

      Angela Rodriguez, MD | Conditions
    • mRNA post vaccination syndrome: Is it real?

      Harry Oken, MD | Conditions
  • Past 6 Months

    • COVID-19 was real: a doctor’s frontline account

      Randall S. Fong, MD | Conditions
    • Why primary care doctors are drowning in debt despite saving lives

      John Wei, MD | Physician
    • New student loan caps could shut low-income students out of medicine

      Tom Phan, MD | Physician
    • Confessions of a lipidologist in recovery: the infection we’ve ignored for 40 years

      Larry Kaskel, MD | Conditions
    • A physician employment agreement term that often tricks physicians

      Dennis Hursh, Esq | Finance
    • Why taxing remittances harms families and global health care

      Dalia Saha, MD | Finance
  • Recent Posts

    • A systemic plan for health worker well-being [PODCAST]

      The Podcast by KevinMD | Podcast
    • Why pain doctors face unfair scrutiny and harsh penalties in California

      Kayvan Haddadan, MD | Physician
    • Why physicians need a place to fall apart

      Annia Raja, PhD | Physician
    • The joy of teaching medicine through life’s toughest challenges

      John F. McGeehan, MD | Physician
    • Why health care can’t survive on no-fail missions alone

      Wendy Schofer, MD | Physician
    • An addiction physician’s warning about America’s next public health crisis [PODCAST]

      The Podcast by KevinMD | Podcast

Subscribe to KevinMD and never miss a story!

Get free updates delivered free to your inbox.


Find jobs at
Careers by KevinMD.com

Search thousands of physician, PA, NP, and CRNA jobs now.

Learn more

View 1 Comments >

Founded in 2004 by Kevin Pho, MD, KevinMD.com is the web’s leading platform where physicians, advanced practitioners, nurses, medical students, and patients share their insight and tell their stories.

Social

  • Like on Facebook
  • Follow on Twitter
  • Connect on Linkedin
  • Subscribe on Youtube
  • Instagram

ADVERTISEMENT

ADVERTISEMENT

  • Most Popular

  • Past Week

    • New student loan caps could shut low-income students out of medicine

      Tom Phan, MD | Physician
    • What street medicine taught me about healing

      Alina Kang | Education
    • Are we repeating the statin playbook with lipoprotein(a)?

      Larry Kaskel, MD | Conditions
    • The silent cost of choosing personalization over privacy in health care

      Dr. Giriraj Tosh Purohit | Tech
    • Why transgender health care needs urgent reform and inclusive practices

      Angela Rodriguez, MD | Conditions
    • mRNA post vaccination syndrome: Is it real?

      Harry Oken, MD | Conditions
  • Past 6 Months

    • COVID-19 was real: a doctor’s frontline account

      Randall S. Fong, MD | Conditions
    • Why primary care doctors are drowning in debt despite saving lives

      John Wei, MD | Physician
    • New student loan caps could shut low-income students out of medicine

      Tom Phan, MD | Physician
    • Confessions of a lipidologist in recovery: the infection we’ve ignored for 40 years

      Larry Kaskel, MD | Conditions
    • A physician employment agreement term that often tricks physicians

      Dennis Hursh, Esq | Finance
    • Why taxing remittances harms families and global health care

      Dalia Saha, MD | Finance
  • Recent Posts

    • A systemic plan for health worker well-being [PODCAST]

      The Podcast by KevinMD | Podcast
    • Why pain doctors face unfair scrutiny and harsh penalties in California

      Kayvan Haddadan, MD | Physician
    • Why physicians need a place to fall apart

      Annia Raja, PhD | Physician
    • The joy of teaching medicine through life’s toughest challenges

      John F. McGeehan, MD | Physician
    • Why health care can’t survive on no-fail missions alone

      Wendy Schofer, MD | Physician
    • An addiction physician’s warning about America’s next public health crisis [PODCAST]

      The Podcast by KevinMD | Podcast

MedPage Today Professional

An Everyday Health Property Medpage Today
  • Terms of Use | Disclaimer
  • Privacy Policy
  • DMCA Policy
All Content © KevinMD, LLC
Site by Outthink Group

5 things pathologists want other doctors to know
1 comments

Comments are moderated before they are published. Please read the comment policy.

Loading Comments...