Skip to content
  • About
  • Contact
  • Contribute
  • What Physicians Say
  • My Book
  • Careers
  • Podcast
  • Speaking
KevinMD.com — Social media's leading physician voice
  • All
  • Physician
  • Burnout
  • Practice
  • Policy
  • Finance
  • Conditions
  • .edu
  • Patient
  • Meds
  • Tech
  • Social
  • All
  • Physician
  • Burnout
  • Practice
  • Policy
  • Finance
  • Conditions
  • .edu
  • Patient
  • Meds
  • Tech
  • Social
    • All
    • Physician
    • Burnout
    • Practice
    • Policy
    • Finance
    • Conditions
    • .edu
    • Patient
    • Meds
    • Tech
    • Social
    • About
    • Contact
    • Contribute
    • What Physicians Say
    • My Book
    • Careers
    • Podcast
    • Speaking
KevinMD.com — Social media's leading physician voice
  • All
  • Physician
  • Burnout
  • Practice
  • Policy
  • Finance
  • Conditions
  • .edu
  • Patient
  • Meds
  • Tech
  • Social
    • All
    • Physician
    • Burnout
    • Practice
    • Policy
    • Finance
    • Conditions
    • .edu
    • Patient
    • Meds
    • Tech
    • Social
    • About
    • Contact
    • Contribute
    • What Physicians Say
    • My Book
    • Careers
    • Podcast
    • Speaking
  • About Kevin Pho, MD, Founder of KevinMD
  • Aging and dementia: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Artificial intelligence: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Be heard on social media’s leading physician voice
  • Cancer: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Children’s health: what pediatricians say, in their own words
  • Contact Kevin
  • COVID-19: what physicians wrote as it happened
  • Custom enhanced author page pricing
  • Diabetes and obesity: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Direct primary care: what physicians say, in their own words
  • DMCA Policy
  • End of life: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Establishing, Managing, and Protecting Your Online Reputation: A Social Media Guide for Physicians and Medical Practices
  • GLP-1 drugs: what physicians say about Ozempic and its successors, in their own words
  • Heart disease: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Immigration and medicine: what physicians say about immigrant doctors and immigrant patients, in their own words
  • KevinMD influencer opportunities
  • Medical errors: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Medical ethics: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Medical malpractice: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Medical school: what students and physicians say, in their own words
  • Mental health: what psychiatrists and physicians say, in their own words
  • Nursing: what nurses and physicians say, in their own words
  • Opinion and commentary by KevinMD
  • Opioids: what physicians and pain patients say, in their own words
  • Physician burnout speakers to keynote your conference
  • Physician burnout: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Physician Coaching by KevinMD
  • Physician keynote speaker: Kevin Pho, MD
  • Physician personal finance: what physicians say about their own money, in their own words
  • Physician Speaking by KevinMD: a boutique speakers bureau
  • Physician suicide: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Physicians and administrators: what physicians say about who runs medicine, in their own words
  • Primary care physician in Nashua, NH | Kevin Pho, MD
  • Primary care: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Prior authorization: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Privacy Policy
  • Private equity and corporate medicine: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Race and medicine: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Recommended services by KevinMD
  • Residency: what residents and attendings say, in their own words
  • Scope of practice: what physicians, nurse practitioners, and PAs say, in their own words
  • Subscribe to the KevinMD enhanced author page
  • Subscribe to the newsletter
  • Surgeons and surgery: what surgeons say, in their own words
  • Take-home messages: what physicians say when asked to leave one
  • Terms of Use Agreement
  • Thank you for subscribing to KevinMD
  • Thank you for upgrading to the KevinMD enhanced author page
  • The electronic health record: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Vaccines: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Violence against health care workers: what physicians and nurses say, in their own words
  • What physicians say: the KevinMD records
  • Women in medicine: what women physicians say, in their own words
  • Women’s health: what physicians say, in their own words

10 signs that you may need a scribe

Ofor Ewelukwa, MD, Sarah Glover, DO, and Kevin Fennelly, MD, MPH
Health Technology
April 3, 2017
Share
Tweet
Share

When I began my tenure at the University of Florida, the departure of a colleague left a very large inflammatory bowel disease practice that involved a lot of work both in and outside of clinic, just as the electronic healthcare record became mandatory. One unanticipated consequence of EHR is that physicians have to review everything before it is final in a patient’s chart. Thus, I spent countless hours in the EHR system, but was always behind on my charting. This had a profoundly negative impact on my academic career, my relationship with hospital administration, and my relationship with my family.

Three years ago I started requesting a scribe from my department chair.  He was concerned that providing me a scribe would open a floodgate, and would be unfair to the others in the department.  He finally relented, and after an extremely successful year-long pilot study he, and the department of medicine, completely changed their perspective on using scribes in our academic clinical practice.

Here is a list of the top 10 signs that you need to engage a scribe.

1. You spend more time in your inbox than you do with your patients. Despite a full day clinic session, we spend at least 5 to 10 hours in our inbox. Because of the electronic health record, we are typically running an hour or two behind in clinic. Incorporating scribes into clinical note recording could cut patient waits to less than an hour, and physician times with the patient by more than a third (from 30 to 12 minutes.) Also, physician inbox time could be cut by at least two-thirds if a scribe were added to the clinic.

2. The hospital CEO knows your name, and you have weekly conversations with your department chair.   The typical conversation with your chair starts with “we love you, but if you don’t get your charts closed, you won’t be able to work here anymore.” This suggests that you are sending money back to insurers because of overdue notes.  It should be noted that the hospital CEO is also a physician but has exempted his practice from the EHR. However, as usual, your chair is, of course, correct. Unclosed notes are bad for patient care, create liability, and limit communication between your referring providers and your colleagues.  With the scribe, notes can be closed on the day that you see the patient, or at the latest within the timeframe set by your department.  Interestingly, since incorporating my scribe I have had no delinquent notes, and communication typically goes out to the referring doctor within a few days of the visit.  Our referring doctors have noticed the improvement and referrals have increased.

3. Your carpal tunnel is worsening, and you can’t read the screen.   Physicians are spending more time at the computer, which strains our eyes and predisposes us to carpal tunnel syndrome.  Our industrial engineering people found that a typical note transcribed in my practice contained 400 keystrokes.  Additionally, many tasks that were performed by nurses and medical assistants have been shifted to physicians. The electronic health record isn’t saving us time; it’s just creating more work for us. By using a scribe, we can change the amount of charting we  do per patient visit.  After the addition of the scribe, I find that during a typical visit I focus on entering diagnoses, orders, medications, and interviewing and examining my patient.

4.  Your children think the nanny is their parent.  Spending nights and weekends in the electronic health record makes your home life a stressor because your inbox and unclosed notes weigh on you constantly.  Post scribe, I am more fascicle at getting inbox tasks accomplished because I don’t worry about catching up on charting.  You can also sign out most of these tasks to someone who is covering when you go on vacation.  It is important for physicians to remember that we need to get off the electronic grid and spend time taking care of our families and ourselves. It is good to go to places without Wi-Fi, such as the middle of the ocean or the middle of a national park.

5. Your publication record is affected by multiple entries in the electronic health record.  Spending all your time charting leaves little time or energy to write papers. With a scribe, you become more efficient in your charting and write better notes, which provides better data to write retrospective series case reports, or prospectively gather patient data that can be used for publication.

6. Your notes look like computer generated lists. These types of notes diminish us as physicians, since no one knows what you’re really thinking. In medicine, we should possess the highest level of critical thinking skills, but electronic medical records can diminish that. In addition to a lack of judicious diagnostic thinking, we sometimes miss out on key PQRS demands that need to be met with these types of notes.

7. RVU penalties keep racking up. The University of Florida has an academic standard that notes left open more than 30 days will be penalized 1.6 RVUs per open note that was administratively closed.  In FY15, our department of medicine amassed a total of 4907 RVUs in penalties for unclosed notes, which led to the department having to return funds.  Due to our scribe pilot, the University of Florida has realized the importance of getting notes closed in a timely fashion.

8. You’re treating more patients over the phone than in clinic. This is a particularly bad habit. Patients want telemedicine, but the legislation is incomplete in most states.  On average, our clinics get three to 10 phone calls per visit. Unlike lawyers, physicians do not have billable hours.  Furthermore, the documentation of phone visits is very poor compared to clinic visits, and we lack physical contact with our patients, which often result in substandard care. Efficient clinic processes bring patients in more frequently, which leads to better care and increased billing. Effectively, the scribe pays for itself.

 9. You are burned out. Physician burnout is increasing and is estimated to be more than 50 percent. With the advent of the EMR, much of the work previously done by others was shifted to us, and we are constantly being scrutinized for what is in the EMR. Our notes are no longer hidden in a chart somewhere, but are frequently posted for patient’s real-time consumption. With a scribe, you have greater command of your notes, and spending less time documenting in the EMR, we have better control and less opportunity for burnout.

 10. You don’t know what your patients look like.  This means that you may not be examining your patients because entering data in the EMR has taken precedence. You may be missing important physical findings, and your patients often feel like they’re ignored.  Pre-scribe, it would be a common occurrence for me, or one of my colleagues, to walk into a room without a stethoscope. The presence of another individual recording our physical exam forces us to be more methodical. Our patients appreciate it and are more willing to come to clinic because they know we will be far more thorough if they see us in person.

ADVERTISEMENT

Ofor Ewelukwa and Sarah Glover are gastroenterologists. Kevin Fennelly is a pulmonologist.

Image credit: Shutterstock.com

Prev

The Match: Why do we have a system that creates unemployed physicians?

April 3, 2017 Kevin 40
…
Next

8 things doctors secretly want to tell their patients

April 4, 2017 Kevin 20
…

Tagged as: Health IT and AI in Medicine

< Previous Post
The Match: Why do we have a system that creates unemployed physicians?
Next Post >
8 things doctors secretly want to tell their patients

 

ADVERTISEMENT

Related Posts

  • A scribe’s haunting view of emergency medicine

    Nicole Russell
  • Can the Maternal CARE Act fail moms? 

    Sonal Patel, MD
  • Our patients matter, but at what cost to our families? 

    James A. Quinn, PA-C
  • For students with test stress, medical schools leave a void  

    Steve Blatt, MD
  • Opening schools? The devil is in the details. 

    Raghav Gupta, MD
  • Physician Suicide Awareness Day: Where are the patients? 

    Jennifer M. Sweeney

More in Health Technology

  • Cited but never checked

    Why AI crisis advice may fail families facing psychosis

    Nicole Drapeau Gillen
  • How AI phone systems in health care create barriers

    Thuy D. Bui, MD
  • AI data centers and public health demand regulation

    Jacob Player, MD, MPH
  • ChatGPT for triage: 5 rules I teach ER residents

    Harvey Castro, MD, MBA
  • Automation bias in health care can become paternalism

    John Wei, MD
  • 4 workflow fixes that cut physician burnout at the source

    Kevin Halow, MD, MBA
  • Most Popular

  • Past Week

    • Retirement isn’t the end of medicine, it’s a second act [PODCAST]

      The Podcast by KevinMD | Podcast
    • The conflict of interest that discloses as nothing

      Martha Rosenberg | Medications
    • Surgical judgment: the skill no one sees from the gallery

      Mustafa Kemal Çalık, MD | Physician
    • Why haven’t ambient AI scribes boosted productivity?

      Karan Kanwar | Health Technology
    • Physician well-being is not an individual problem

      Heather Buckley | Conditions and Diseases
    • Burnout isn’t only about autonomy, it’s about your bank account [PODCAST]

      The Podcast by KevinMD | Podcast
  • Past 6 Months

    • Why CDC opioid guidelines get the overdose data wrong

      Richard A. Lawhern, PhD | Conditions and Diseases
    • Retirement isn’t the end of medicine, it’s a second act [PODCAST]

      The Podcast by KevinMD | Podcast
    • Sensory processing in autism and the brain’s volume control

      Josette Pelatan, PhD | Conditions and Diseases
    • What maternity care deserts cost a town

      Manisha Kaliaperumal | Health Policy
    • Why medicine needs a national physician license now

      Vaishali Popat, MD, MPH | Physician
    • A cold cost $945. The cost of primary care is broken.

      Susan Newman, MD | Physician
  • Recent Posts

    • Shift work and circadian rhythms shape the 24/7 workplace

      Deepak Gupta, MD | Conditions and Diseases
    • Paid for twice

      Physicians paid for G2211 twice. Most never bill it.

      Michael Duben, MD | Physician Finance
    • The next child

      Medicaid managed care and the case for mutual stewardship

      Steven Merahn, MD | Health Policy
    • Choosing a limb lengthening surgeon requires accountability

      Hrayr Basmajian, MD | Physician
    • Cited but never checked

      Why AI crisis advice may fail families facing psychosis

      Nicole Drapeau Gillen | Health Technology
    • How AI phone systems in health care create barriers

      Thuy D. Bui, MD | Health Technology

Subscribe to KevinMD and never miss a story!

Get free updates delivered free to your inbox.


Find jobs at
Careers by KevinMD.com

Search thousands of physician, PA, NP, and CRNA jobs now.

Learn more

View 18 Comments >

Founded in 2004 by Kevin Pho, MD, KevinMD.com is the web’s leading platform where physicians, advanced practitioners, nurses, medical students, and patients share their insight and tell their stories.

Social

  • Like on Facebook
  • Follow on Twitter
  • Connect on Linkedin
  • Subscribe on Youtube
  • Instagram

ADVERTISEMENT

  • Most Popular

  • Past Week

    • Retirement isn’t the end of medicine, it’s a second act [PODCAST]

      The Podcast by KevinMD | Podcast
    • The conflict of interest that discloses as nothing

      Martha Rosenberg | Medications
    • Surgical judgment: the skill no one sees from the gallery

      Mustafa Kemal Çalık, MD | Physician
    • Why haven’t ambient AI scribes boosted productivity?

      Karan Kanwar | Health Technology
    • Physician well-being is not an individual problem

      Heather Buckley | Conditions and Diseases
    • Burnout isn’t only about autonomy, it’s about your bank account [PODCAST]

      The Podcast by KevinMD | Podcast
  • Past 6 Months

    • Why CDC opioid guidelines get the overdose data wrong

      Richard A. Lawhern, PhD | Conditions and Diseases
    • Retirement isn’t the end of medicine, it’s a second act [PODCAST]

      The Podcast by KevinMD | Podcast
    • Sensory processing in autism and the brain’s volume control

      Josette Pelatan, PhD | Conditions and Diseases
    • What maternity care deserts cost a town

      Manisha Kaliaperumal | Health Policy
    • Why medicine needs a national physician license now

      Vaishali Popat, MD, MPH | Physician
    • A cold cost $945. The cost of primary care is broken.

      Susan Newman, MD | Physician
  • Recent Posts

    • Shift work and circadian rhythms shape the 24/7 workplace

      Deepak Gupta, MD | Conditions and Diseases
    • Paid for twice

      Physicians paid for G2211 twice. Most never bill it.

      Michael Duben, MD | Physician Finance
    • The next child

      Medicaid managed care and the case for mutual stewardship

      Steven Merahn, MD | Health Policy
    • Choosing a limb lengthening surgeon requires accountability

      Hrayr Basmajian, MD | Physician
    • Cited but never checked

      Why AI crisis advice may fail families facing psychosis

      Nicole Drapeau Gillen | Health Technology
    • How AI phone systems in health care create barriers

      Thuy D. Bui, MD | Health Technology

Copyright © 2026 KevinMD.com | Powered by Astra WordPress Theme

  • Terms of Use Agreement
  • Privacy Policy
  • DMCA Policy
All Content © KevinMD, LLC
Site by Outthink Group

10 signs that you may need a scribe
18 comments

Comments are moderated before they are published. Please read the comment policy.

Loading Comments...