Skip to content
  • About
  • Contact
  • Contribute
  • What Physicians Say
  • My Book
  • Careers
  • Podcast
  • Speaking
KevinMD.com — Social media's leading physician voice
  • All
  • Physician
  • Burnout
  • Practice
  • Policy
  • Finance
  • Conditions
  • .edu
  • Patient
  • Meds
  • Tech
  • Social
  • All
  • Physician
  • Burnout
  • Practice
  • Policy
  • Finance
  • Conditions
  • .edu
  • Patient
  • Meds
  • Tech
  • Social
    • All
    • Physician
    • Burnout
    • Practice
    • Policy
    • Finance
    • Conditions
    • .edu
    • Patient
    • Meds
    • Tech
    • Social
    • About
    • Contact
    • Contribute
    • What Physicians Say
    • My Book
    • Careers
    • Podcast
    • Speaking
KevinMD.com — Social media's leading physician voice
  • All
  • Physician
  • Burnout
  • Practice
  • Policy
  • Finance
  • Conditions
  • .edu
  • Patient
  • Meds
  • Tech
  • Social
    • All
    • Physician
    • Burnout
    • Practice
    • Policy
    • Finance
    • Conditions
    • .edu
    • Patient
    • Meds
    • Tech
    • Social
    • About
    • Contact
    • Contribute
    • What Physicians Say
    • My Book
    • Careers
    • Podcast
    • Speaking
  • About Kevin Pho, MD, Founder of KevinMD
  • Aging and dementia: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Artificial intelligence: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Be heard on social media’s leading physician voice
  • Cancer: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Children’s health: what pediatricians say, in their own words
  • Contact Kevin
  • COVID-19: what physicians wrote as it happened
  • Custom enhanced author page pricing
  • Diabetes and obesity: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Direct primary care: what physicians say, in their own words
  • DMCA Policy
  • End of life: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Establishing, Managing, and Protecting Your Online Reputation: A Social Media Guide for Physicians and Medical Practices
  • GLP-1 drugs: what physicians say about Ozempic and its successors, in their own words
  • Heart disease: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Immigration and medicine: what physicians say about immigrant doctors and immigrant patients, in their own words
  • KevinMD influencer opportunities
  • Medical errors: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Medical ethics: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Medical malpractice: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Medical school: what students and physicians say, in their own words
  • Mental health: what psychiatrists and physicians say, in their own words
  • Nursing: what nurses and physicians say, in their own words
  • Opinion and commentary by KevinMD
  • Opioids: what physicians and pain patients say, in their own words
  • Physician burnout speakers to keynote your conference
  • Physician burnout: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Physician Coaching by KevinMD
  • Physician keynote speaker: Kevin Pho, MD
  • Physician personal finance: what physicians say about their own money, in their own words
  • Physician Speaking by KevinMD: a boutique speakers bureau
  • Physician suicide: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Physicians and administrators: what physicians say about who runs medicine, in their own words
  • Primary care physician in Nashua, NH | Kevin Pho, MD
  • Primary care: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Prior authorization: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Privacy Policy
  • Private equity and corporate medicine: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Race and medicine: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Recommended services by KevinMD
  • Residency: what residents and attendings say, in their own words
  • Scope of practice: what physicians, nurse practitioners, and PAs say, in their own words
  • Subscribe to the KevinMD enhanced author page
  • Subscribe to the newsletter
  • Surgeons and surgery: what surgeons say, in their own words
  • Take-home messages: what physicians say when asked to leave one
  • Terms of Use Agreement
  • Thank you for subscribing to KevinMD
  • Thank you for upgrading to the KevinMD enhanced author page
  • The electronic health record: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Vaccines: what physicians say, in their own words
  • Violence against health care workers: what physicians and nurses say, in their own words
  • What physicians say: the KevinMD records
  • Women in medicine: what women physicians say, in their own words
  • Women’s health: what physicians say, in their own words

What happens when patient capacity and autonomy diverge?

Aula Ramo, MD
Physician
July 6, 2020
Share
Tweet
Share

“I can’t take this, doc. It’s gonna kill me. I can’t. I just can’t,” exclaims my patient with persistent refusal of his medication. My frustration is met with my patient care team’s hesitation to give him the medication with fear of further conflict and possible escalation to violence.  But who’s at fault? Any of us? All of us?

My second patient, lying on the MRI table, shaking his head swiftly in agitation: “That stuff ain’t gonna calm me down. It’s gonna blow up my mind. It’s gonna ruin my life.” Meeting this with a decisive look, I ask the nurse: “Please give the Haldol.” She needed not to reply for me to gather the distress painted over her face. “He’s refusing … I can’t give it. I can’t.”

As doctors, we take an oath to “do no harm,” to prioritize our patient’s wellbeing above all. This, of course, comes in balance with patient autonomy: a patient’s ability to make decisions about his medical treatment without any coercion and in light of being given all the relevant information regarding such treatment, provided that he/she has the capacity to make his own decisions. This decision entails the ability to understand the issue at hand, including the ability to describe the risks and benefits of each option offered as treatment; however, what happens when capacity and autonomy diverge?

Our first patient, used to walking for himself, was hospitalized with a limb-threatening case of osteomyelitis that, if not treated with antibiotics, would ultimately result in amputation of his foot; however, difficulty arose when his underlying untreated mania reared his head. Despite his pressured speech, intermittent yelling, grandiose delusions, he glibly described his younger days as a truck driver. On the surface, he appeared to understand the refusal of antibiotics. However,  as he attempted to leave the hospital ward each day walking, did he truly understand that loss of mobility was the alternative?

Our second patient with altered mental status had waxing and waning pieces of attention, but his sense of humor found no paucity in jokes that cleverly masked his inability to answer some questions. Is his transient alertness enough to refuse pre-medication for an MRI to further understand his complex illness? Our medical decision-making is often met with resistance of staff to administer therapy to refusing patients who are seemingly highly functional. Judgment of capacity presents a gray zone that can put into question the integration of patient’s autonomy and the ideal of beneficence. Psychotic signs and symptoms are not always persistently present and are not always so dramatically portrayed. Coupled with moderate patient mental functionality, this can make judgment of capacity a complex task and ethically jarring in time-sensitive cases.

As physicians, we are taught from an early stage to “just know your patients.” This becomes natural as we spend long hours at the hospital, observing our patients’ many changes and fluctuations. We re-examine frequently, interview family members, analyze the myriad of results to know our patients. As nurses, we are taught to care, to observe, to measure, and to share our concerns with our physician colleagues. We are our patient’s first responders for their pains and their questions. We see them writhe in pain and sleep it off after it’s treated. We’re called to help them feel better, heal better, and understand better. It’s only natural to hesitate to medicate a patient who adamantly screams “no” and had no hints of mania in the minutes leading up to the moment. Complicate this by frequent nursing shift changes and great inflexibility in rescheduling specialized diagnostic tests in the hospital. What is the ethical thing to do? Can the patient refuse his pre-imaging sedative? Can you have intermittent decision-making capacity to refuse your care? At what point can we, as physicians, substitute our decision-making for that of patients’?

Do no harm rings in the back of the mind of everyone involved. Am I doing more harm keeping my patient away from his antibiotics in his manic state? Can I fully diagnose and treat my patient’s alerted mental status without a post-sedative obtained MRI? In what way should I incorporate my staff’s discomfort with my decision to treat my patient whom I believe lacks the medical capacity to make medical decisions?

Stop and listen. We all stop and listen to each other. We talk, and we discuss our views. We explore our opinions and couple them with our experiential and medical knowledge. Should there be concerns for the treatment of a possibly capacity-lacking patient, its urgency should be examined. Its relevance and its effect on our agitated patient should be weighed. Furthermore, our patient’s capacity should be re-evaluated at each point. It’s the careful psychiatric and neurological exam that couples our nurses’ observations with our medical evaluation. Jointly, we can understand our patients’ conditions to be better able to serve them and all the while, do no harm.

Aula Ramo is an internal medicine resident.

Image credit: Shutterstock.com

Prev

Are negative news cycles and social media injurious to our health?

July 6, 2020 Kevin 3
…
Next

Primary care is dying: Why that should scare every large employer

July 6, 2020 Kevin 4
…

Tagged as: Hospital Medicine, Physician Burnout and Mental Health

< Previous Post
Are negative news cycles and social media injurious to our health?
Next Post >
Primary care is dying: Why that should scare every large employer

 

ADVERTISEMENT

More by Aula Ramo, MD

  • A physician who knows the power of listening and teamwork

    Aula Ramo, MD
  • A new ICU reality that may not disappear soon

    Aula Ramo, MD

Related Posts

  • Patient autonomy in times of shortage

    Deepak Gupta, MD
  • COVID, paternalism, and the death of patient autonomy

    Garrett Jensen
  • Building a bond of trust between patient and physician

    Michele Luckenbaugh
  • More physician responsibility for patient care

    Michael R. McGuire
  • Prescribing medication from a patient’s and physician’s perspective

    Michael Kirsch, MD
  • The triad of health care: patient, nurse, physician

    Michele Luckenbaugh

More in Physician

  • Choosing a limb lengthening surgeon requires accountability

    Hrayr Basmajian, MD
  • How to reassure patients: 5 steps beyond normal tests

    Devina Maya Wadhwa, MD
  • Setting boundaries as a physician doesn’t mean caring less

    Jerina Gani, MD, MPH
  • How emergency medicine decision making works under pressure

    Geoffrey Mount Varner, MD, MPH
  • Why I stay in emergency medicine: a dancer at nearly 100

    Howie Mell, MD, MPH
  • Distrust of science is inviting the Middle Ages back

    Tomi Mitchell, MD
  • Most Popular

  • Past Week

    • Retirement isn’t the end of medicine, it’s a second act [PODCAST]

      The Podcast by KevinMD | Podcast
    • The conflict of interest that discloses as nothing

      Martha Rosenberg | Medications
    • Surgical judgment: the skill no one sees from the gallery

      Mustafa Kemal Çalık, MD | Physician
    • Why haven’t ambient AI scribes boosted productivity?

      Karan Kanwar | Health Technology
    • Physician well-being is not an individual problem

      Heather Buckley | Conditions and Diseases
    • Burnout isn’t only about autonomy, it’s about your bank account [PODCAST]

      The Podcast by KevinMD | Podcast
  • Past 6 Months

    • Why CDC opioid guidelines get the overdose data wrong

      Richard A. Lawhern, PhD | Conditions and Diseases
    • Retirement isn’t the end of medicine, it’s a second act [PODCAST]

      The Podcast by KevinMD | Podcast
    • Sensory processing in autism and the brain’s volume control

      Josette Pelatan, PhD | Conditions and Diseases
    • What maternity care deserts cost a town

      Manisha Kaliaperumal | Health Policy
    • Why medicine needs a national physician license now

      Vaishali Popat, MD, MPH | Physician
    • A cold cost $945. The cost of primary care is broken.

      Susan Newman, MD | Physician
  • Recent Posts

    • Shift work and circadian rhythms shape the 24/7 workplace

      Deepak Gupta, MD | Conditions and Diseases
    • Paid for twice

      Physicians paid for G2211 twice. Most never bill it.

      Michael Duben, MD | Physician Finance
    • The next child

      Medicaid managed care and the case for mutual stewardship

      Steven Merahn, MD | Health Policy
    • Choosing a limb lengthening surgeon requires accountability

      Hrayr Basmajian, MD | Physician
    • Cited but never checked

      Why AI crisis advice may fail families facing psychosis

      Nicole Drapeau Gillen | Health Technology
    • How AI phone systems in health care create barriers

      Thuy D. Bui, MD | Health Technology

Subscribe to KevinMD and never miss a story!

Get free updates delivered free to your inbox.


Find jobs at
Careers by KevinMD.com

Search thousands of physician, PA, NP, and CRNA jobs now.

Learn more

View 1 Comments >

Founded in 2004 by Kevin Pho, MD, KevinMD.com is the web’s leading platform where physicians, advanced practitioners, nurses, medical students, and patients share their insight and tell their stories.

Social

  • Like on Facebook
  • Follow on Twitter
  • Connect on Linkedin
  • Subscribe on Youtube
  • Instagram

ADVERTISEMENT

  • Most Popular

  • Past Week

    • Retirement isn’t the end of medicine, it’s a second act [PODCAST]

      The Podcast by KevinMD | Podcast
    • The conflict of interest that discloses as nothing

      Martha Rosenberg | Medications
    • Surgical judgment: the skill no one sees from the gallery

      Mustafa Kemal Çalık, MD | Physician
    • Why haven’t ambient AI scribes boosted productivity?

      Karan Kanwar | Health Technology
    • Physician well-being is not an individual problem

      Heather Buckley | Conditions and Diseases
    • Burnout isn’t only about autonomy, it’s about your bank account [PODCAST]

      The Podcast by KevinMD | Podcast
  • Past 6 Months

    • Why CDC opioid guidelines get the overdose data wrong

      Richard A. Lawhern, PhD | Conditions and Diseases
    • Retirement isn’t the end of medicine, it’s a second act [PODCAST]

      The Podcast by KevinMD | Podcast
    • Sensory processing in autism and the brain’s volume control

      Josette Pelatan, PhD | Conditions and Diseases
    • What maternity care deserts cost a town

      Manisha Kaliaperumal | Health Policy
    • Why medicine needs a national physician license now

      Vaishali Popat, MD, MPH | Physician
    • A cold cost $945. The cost of primary care is broken.

      Susan Newman, MD | Physician
  • Recent Posts

    • Shift work and circadian rhythms shape the 24/7 workplace

      Deepak Gupta, MD | Conditions and Diseases
    • Paid for twice

      Physicians paid for G2211 twice. Most never bill it.

      Michael Duben, MD | Physician Finance
    • The next child

      Medicaid managed care and the case for mutual stewardship

      Steven Merahn, MD | Health Policy
    • Choosing a limb lengthening surgeon requires accountability

      Hrayr Basmajian, MD | Physician
    • Cited but never checked

      Why AI crisis advice may fail families facing psychosis

      Nicole Drapeau Gillen | Health Technology
    • How AI phone systems in health care create barriers

      Thuy D. Bui, MD | Health Technology

Copyright © 2026 KevinMD.com | Powered by Astra WordPress Theme

  • Terms of Use Agreement
  • Privacy Policy
  • DMCA Policy
All Content © KevinMD, LLC
Site by Outthink Group

What happens when patient capacity and autonomy diverge?
1 comments

Comments are moderated before they are published. Please read the comment policy.

Loading Comments...